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Okay, yeah, it’s that time of year; the time of year when people celebrate pride. Many are making posts or flying flags, and even some are making LEGO builds about it. Well, should I be left out? Of course not, I decided to jump in and make a Mecabricks post for this era… something related to all this LGBTQ pride stuff… in fact, I made a model of a historical event, an event in which God, the Creator of the entire universe, punished two cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) full of despicable and prideful people, people who practiced and supported this evil… He, in His just and mighty power, rained fire and brimstone down on on those cities, destroying all who were in them. God did not make us to act in this way, and rightly opposes it.

Okay, you might be holding your hands up saying “Whoah, Greenie, calm down a minute. This is no place for this kinda stuff.” Is it? Really? Come on guys, the fact that people are even celebrating this kinda stuff is insane, it totally needs to be rejected; but as far as this not being something LEGO, well, let LEGO talk to you about that. They themselves despicably released an LGBTQ+ supportive set. If LEGO can create something in support of sinful, evil, and filthy actions, then I should be able to use LEGOs to reject it. LEGO brought this nonsense into their realm, and so I’ll take the opportunity to talk about it.

Well, now you might say that I’m not being loving… you’ed actually be wrong. I’m a Christian, and the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 13 that love “does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.” It also says to love what God loves, and hate what God hates. The Bible makes a pretty clear statement that God hates this kind of sin, as He does all sin. So as someone who desires to please God and obey the Bible, I will firmly and forever oppose this. I don’t want to make anyone feel bad, but sometimes the truth does hurt; and to be clear, I'm not saying I don't love the people. As a Christian I make it my goal to treat all people with love, however I cannot love their actions if they are wrong. Now, concerning pride, I’ll quote a few verses.


Proverbs 21:4
Haughty eyes and a proud heart, the lamp of the wicked, are sin.

Isaiah 2:12
For the Lord of hosts has a day against all that is proud and lofty, against all that is lifted up—and it shall be brought low;

James 4:6
Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

Oh, and yeah… that is Lot’s wife


Goodbye, God bless, Greenflame24!
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Operator011
6 days ago
Amen, Greenie. Thank you for saying this, it most definitely needed to be said.
AmyOak
6 days ago
I disagree with your message here, but i dont want any argument and you are absolutely allowed to post this too and I will Like this post, not because I agree with the message, because i dont. But hecause it is a good build
Greenflame24
6 days ago
@Operator Your absolutely welcome. We need more people to stand up against this. If people, specifically Christians, had been more serious about their faith and actually stood for what's right instead of just letting others handle the situations we wouldn't be in this mess.

@Amy First off thanks for the like and compliment on the build, and second thanks for acknowledging the fact that I have the right to post/speak about what I believe. I hate seeing people who disagree with each other try to silence the other person, instead of respectfully disputing or agreeing to disagree.
AmyOak
6 days ago
I appreciate your attitude to this, I could argue with you on this but to be honeati think we both know that i wouldnt get anywhere with it. You can hold thise opinions and belive that I am "evil, filth" but so long as youre respectful to the individual and dont attempt to remove any of our rights then theres nothing wrong with you holding those opinions
Greenflame24
6 days ago
@Amy True, I often find that arguing online doesn't go anywhere... I'd like to make it clear though that I don't consider LGBTQ+ people "evil, filth", only what they do. There is a difference between respecting someone as a person and respecting their beliefs. Though I treat all people with respect, I may not respect what they believe or how they act; and as far as the 'removing rights ' thing, I personally believe that this is immorality, and as a founding father of my nation once stated (this is a paraphrase) 'America is a moral nation, and if it ceases to be it will become a monster'. I personally will do what I can to keep my country moral and God fearing, so I will support those who would oppose LGBTQ+ rights, because I believe the Pride movement is wrong and will bring about destruction to America. I think people all have the right to fight for what they believe is right, in a respectful, reasonable way.
AmyOak
6 days ago
America is built on moral principles that are based in parts of the bible and the founding fathers were christian but they also made sure that america wouls remain secular and follow its own rules not those of britian or any religion because the founding fathers knew that if they allowdd the country to follow religious laws it could bacdire and cause a different religion to take control potentially so because america is secular christianityt can thrive in america.

My point is that christianity is allowed to see us as immoral but laws shouldnt be able to because the bible is the only reason to reject homosexul rights and as such if that went into law it would be on religious principles and thus break american values
Operator011
6 days ago
I thought you agreed not to argue
AmyOak
6 days ago
Thats a good point op , im very sorry about that
Greenflame24
6 days ago
Actually, founding father Thomas Jefferson actually passed a law that said laws should be recognized by Biblical principles, and he stated that marriage should be conducted in a biblical way. As far as staying away from Britain's religious rule, it was meant to create a free Christian society, not a self proclaimed Christian country where the church ruled every detail of your life. America was meant to be a nation 'Under God', and bring about freedom through morality as the Bible describes it. We hear the phrase 'separation of church and state', this was introduced in a letter, and by context actually means that the government is not allowed to control the actions of the church; however it wasn't meant for the church to be excluded from the government. The church was actually supposed to support and help political leaders to create just and moral laws.

Anyways, I have to leave, farewell folks!
-Rubrickscube-
5 days ago
@GreenFlame: Sorry to rain on your party, but you are incorrect in this capacity: "Actually, founding father Thomas Jefferson actually passed a law that said laws should be recognized by Biblical principles, and he stated that marriage should be conducted in a biblical way". I know where you got that from -- I saw that false article as well, but it isn't true. That bill was never passed -- it was merely introduced. If it was passed, then same-sex marriage, inter-racial marriage, common-law marriage, and marriage between people of too large an age gap would have been instantly annulled and made illegal for the indefinite. I can continue this on Discord if you like, or want more proof.
Greenflame24
5 days ago
Just a heads up, because this post is naturally going to draw debate, I am not angry or hateful at anyone no matter how much we dispute or disagree
. I know, especially when debating via cyberspace, it's easy to feel like the other person is mad at you, but please note that isn't the case here
. I only want to share what I believe is true in hopes of drawing others to repentance from sin, yet to do so in a loving but truthful way. Anyways, that's it
Greenflame24
5 days ago
@Rubricks I'll get back to you on that, my time is limited and I want to finish a few other things first
-Rubrickscube-
5 days ago
I'm very deep into politics (if my music doesn't succeed, I would like to pursue a political career), and the amount of times I have heard that false bill brought up is amazing. It was never a true law, it was shot down almost immediately, and it was renounced by Thomas Jefferson himself (in his later life) on account of the hypocritical ban of inter-racial marriage. The ironic thing that most people don't understand is that Thomas Jefferson didn't actually support the Bible in most capacities; another reason why you can't take that bill to be veritable. He didn't believe that Christ was the true Son of God (or even a prophet -- he believed He was just a good person who became a blasphemer), and was ultimately the first deistic president. He didn't believe in many whole books of the Bible either, including about 3/4 of the spirituality of the New Testament. He did strongly support the OT, but again, he didn't believe in Jesus so...
-Rubrickscube-
5 days ago
All good. I don't think what I've said leaves any room for debate (for once) -- they are facts backed with historically accurate documents and common sense (have you ever heard of it being illegal to marry someone who was over 20 years older than you in that time, or to marry someone from another race, or to marry through commonlaw?). I do agree with about everything you made this model for though, which can be heavily debated
.
Greenflame24
5 days ago
@Rubricks Thanks for the correction, history and politics are something I need to study more on, as I think everyone does
. Anyways, not to change the subject, but for some reason my ear is pulsing
... reminds me of the time when my shoulder was squeaking, and I discovered later that a beetle had been trapped under my sleeve O_O... back to the point though... I really do appreciate what you said
, it's important no matter what side you're on that you always use truth to present your points... not that I was trying to lie or anything
, I just misunderstood.
-Rubrickscube-
5 days ago
I hate to comment once again, but I realized I made a mistake clarifying a few things I said. Some of those things mentioned were made illegal at a time, but not at the time of Jefferson's presidency. What I mean is that such a bill was not passed until later on, and it was not passed by the president at first. It was passed little-by-little by the governors of different states, and then became universally accepted. Some states already had similar laws in place, but they were not officially held up. Thomas Jefferson never got that bill passed. It was seen as racist, sexist, and against the current religious teachings of the Bible, because it was. Thomas Jefferson is not the type of Christian that most people think about. His proposed bill said to only "uphold those marriages permissed by Levitical law", yet Levitical law does not say anything that prohibits interracial marriage, or marriage of those one with too great a seniority than the other. In some verses (like those contained in Deuteronomy 7), marriage of another people is mentioned as off-limits, but only because those people were pagan -- not because of their race. This is even specified in these verses.

So what I guess I'm saying over all is that Thomas Jefferson's "Bible Marriage Bill" was never passed; it was not supported by the Bible in the majority of its aspects, and a bill similar to it by all the presidency was never fully passed -- it took the majority of the individual states to each pass their own laws before it was made a common-law.
-Rubrickscube-
5 days ago
Nah that's all good -- I had to make a few corrections myself (I fear that I am never clear), but it is now all historically and politically accurate.

Not to change the subject myself, but that reminds me of the time I had two small ants crawling in my ear. Both were in the same ear, and it was possibly the most uncomfortable thing that I have ever experienced. I'm sure they had good intentions, but like dudes -- get outta my ear. They stayed in there for nearly an hour and a half, and I could hardly open my eyes they were watering so badly.
KingofAce
5 days ago
this truly needs to be seen by all, great speech and so, so true,
TailsTheFox
5 days ago
dude you are now my new best friend! the evil in june needs to go. but this build is epic!
TailsTheFox
5 days ago
great build! i love lot's wife! very truthful!
Greenflame24
5 days ago
@TailsTheFox
Thanks so much bro... and yes, Lot's wife
KnightofElabor
5 days ago
"if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything"

thanks for having the bravery to stand up bro
Dragon_Rider06
5 days ago
I admire your courage, Greeny. Thanks sharing this.
Greenflame24
5 days ago
@KoE To be honest making this most has made me shake every time I come to the computer
; but you're welcome. Having friends like you makes it all the easier to stand for what's right.

@Dragon Thank you a ton, as I was implying to KoE this hasn't been my easiest post ever
; however those who never stand will never have a chance at making a difference
. I don't like sitting around, and I know y'all will always have my back if I need it, so thank you
.
SlimBrick1
5 days ago
Amen, I totally agree with this.
TailsTheFox
4 days ago
duuuuuuuuddddddeeeeee best model i have seen all month! love lot's wife!
AmyOak
4 days ago
The month is only 9 days in to be fair
Greenflame24
4 days ago
@Chuck Thanks bro


@Fox
, thanks man.

@Amy Very true, there is still a lot of time for better models to arise.
SnapStudio
4 days ago
Wow.

This is pretty funny to me TBH, the way you're portraying the message.

Great job on the build, and for standing up.
It's sad, the turn LEGO took.
jalc_45
4 days ago
A few thoughts:

A. If lego is sooo despicable for making that set, why don't you quit lego? Hmm?

B. WHY in the WORLD would you post this on MECABRICKS, of all places? A place FULL of young teens who are trying to figure out who they are as a person. There are people on Mecabricks who are openly gay. Are you saying you hate them? That God hates them? He loves ALL of his children, no matter what. He may dislike things ABOUT them, like their orientation, but he hates NOBODY.

C. I am Christian. I don't 'support' the LGBTQ+ movement, but I am NOT one of those HOMOPHOBIC IDIOTS (I am not calling anyone here homophobic idiots) that holds up a
G.od
A.bhors
Y.ou
sign at an anti-gay rally.

People on Mecabricks are going to hate me for this comment (please don't), but really.
I am not saying anything against you all, but this model should NOT have been posted here. Know your audience. What if someone younger still trying to figure out who they are clicks this model, not understanding what it's about, then reads that "God hates them" and "Gayness is evil" (not direct quotes). Sorry.


Also, Greenflame, I know you weren't implying this, but some things you said made it almost sound like you were approving genocide against LGBTQ+ people, which is horrifying. I know you weren't, and I just thought you should know that's what it sounded like to me and some others.
KingofAce
4 days ago
bro, he doesn't hate them but he hates their actions, and if you think he shouldn't post this why don't you say that about supporting gay?!
Operator011
4 days ago
Jalc, homosexuality is a largely understated sin in today's world. What Greenie has done is important, and really needs to be said. If people are living in sin, then that's a problem. God loves every human being on earth, but he does hate their sin. That cannot be understated.
jalc_45
4 days ago
I said I don't support the movement.
jalc_45
4 days ago
Fair enough, but I still stand by what I said.
milo_hilo_26
4 days ago
people's opinion: exists

Mecabrick user:

Wow...

this is worthless!

Other Mecabricks users:

It'S lEsS tHaN wOrThLeSs My BoY!
jalc_45
4 days ago
And that Milo, is why we are friends.

milo_hilo_26
4 days ago
Someone could literally post something about how they like plum pudding and people would still argue about it
trainking
4 days ago
Agree, this site can get less religious and political. The only reason i joined this site is to learn how to be better with legos and not listen to some argument. But hey, this is the internet and you can't really have an opinion without it being bashed by some idiot who live in his mom's basement and look at some.....(inhale).... Interesting pictures of anime girls(i'm not talking about anyone on this site just adding humor with out get banned)

But with all seriousness my point is that this site in intoxicated(metaphor) with religious and political garbage which is unwanted for a lego site.


Thank you for coming to my ted talk
trainking
4 days ago
oh man my dm's are gonna be flooded.
AmyOak
4 days ago
Ive already said my peace here, but ill repeat. I also dont agree with what Greenie is saying here but its a complicated topic that i am not going to argue on a forum about lego, ive liked the post because its a good build and while there are plenty of comments other people have said here that i would love to argue with im not going to because this frankly isnt the place for that and it wouldnt make any difference anyway
Greenflame24
4 days ago
@jalc First off, I sorta have quit LEGO... sorta. I've kinda quit giving them my money, and don't know if I will pick it back up. *people gasp*

Second, I'd post it on Mecabricks because, well for one it's the only LEGO site I know about where I can. Two I want to stand where the waves are hard, not where they are smooth. You don't make a difference by telling people who agree with how how bad or good something is, you face the problem yourself; and also, please read the description. Maybe I could be more clear, but I never said I hate them, or that God hates them. I said I hate the sin, and God hates the sin. People aren't sin, but they do sin. I believe murder is sin, and so I hate it. I believe PRIDE is a sin, and so I hate it. However I don't hate either the murderer or the LGBTQ+ person. Also, if there are people trying to decide what they are... well... I'd discourage anyone anywhere from joining the LGBTQ+ community.

Also, as far as the genocide thing... I agree I could have made it more clear... especially with the model itself (not that I way change the model, but separating the appearance from the message if you get my point). I don't support that at all, and that was not my intention. As I said, my goal is to love all people, and I hope to show them error in their life and ways to change it if need be.

In the end however, we are all have our own opinions whether they are right or wrong. We shouldn't kill one another for them, but kindly show the error, or agree to disagree. Honestly, I know a lot of people don't want these kinda posts on Mecabricks, but if LEGO is themselves going to bring controversial content into their realm, then I'll take the chance.

Also, I don't hate you for coming out against my post. Yeah, we disagree, but I don't think there is anyone in the world I'll agree with on everything
.
milo_hilo_26
4 days ago
People when working on an english essay: ugh so hard *writes down one sentence*

People when writing a Mecabricks comment: Alright, big brain time *writes a literal novel*
jalc_45
4 days ago
Thanks for being agreeable. I guess I misunderstood. I still don't agree with the decision to post this, but I respect your ability to post this.
jalc_45
4 days ago
lol milo just saying random things. PLUM PUDDING
milo_hilo_26
4 days ago
Not random, jalc... satirical mecabricks memes
jalc_45
4 days ago
Well, in that case... Imma TFOLWLLSWAWIAPGABBNATATBTITWANWCMOXTLC who is also Christian/Buddhist/Muslim/atheistic/agnostic/I worship tuduckens
Greenflame24
4 days ago
@Jalc No problem


@milo
... I actually love writing, so everything I do is long... like... my emails... I have witnesses !
...

#PlumbPudding2024
milo_hilo_26
4 days ago
@anyone:

someone needs to make a plum pudding contest!!!
milo_hilo_26
4 days ago
I shall taste test

(i have actually never had plum pudding so the bar will be set real low lol)
Greenflame24
4 days ago
@milo I've never had it either O_O
milo_hilo_26
4 days ago
My science teacher said he had it and he didnt like it... so... i guess its not too popular
Greenflame24
4 days ago
#MakePlumPuddingGreatAgain

...

#IfItEverWasGreatInTheFirstPlace
SnapStudio
4 days ago
God doesn't wish for any human to parish.
But there will be judgement for those who reject
his free gift of salvation.
LegoMaster707
3 days ago
I half agree although I think you might get some angry people on this.
LegoMaster707
3 days ago
I wish people would stop posting things about religion and politics though, it sort of breaks up the community.
LegoMaster707
3 days ago
Also, @Greenie, you read the babylonbee, I love that site.
Greenflame24
3 days ago
@LegoMaster Thanks, and I wouldn't have made this post if it weren't for LEGO brining it into their realm as I've said... also... the Bee is great
SirChristianVII
3 days ago
It’s ridiculous that set #42113 was not released because it was “inappropriate”, and yet set #40516 isn’t!
jalc_45
2 days ago
@SirChristianVII
Real-life military vehicles don't align with lego's company goals while supporting people does.
SirChristianVII
2 days ago
@jalc45, all TLG is even interested in anymore is the money. They know the world is all about wanting LGTBQXYZ “rights”. If the public were to suddenly condemn such activities, LEGO would drop the set in a heartbeat. Why did TLG drop the helicopter? It “offended” someone, and they were afraid it would be bad for business! Very few LEGO employees even support LGTB, they just know it is good for business to pretend to support it.
milo_hilo_26
2 days ago
Greenflame: y'all gotta be humble

Also Greenflame: *has his username as one of the tags*
Greenflame24
2 days ago
@milo What is the first comment implying?

and as far as the second, yes
. I always put my username as a tag, that way people could just look up my name and see my models.
milo_hilo_26
2 days ago
Hey, I can't blame you for trying to get more views.
-Rubrickscube-
2 days ago
I didn't check my notifications for three days, and when I log on I've already got 549 of them... Something has clearly happened
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
If I could like this more than once, I WOULD


I admire you so much for having the courage to actually go ahead and post this, Greeny. It's amazing.
To all people who are saying it wasn't necessary to post it: Christians do NOT have limits. They do not only post on theological websites or something. They do not avoid LEGO websites to keep the community aura. We will witness EVERYWHERE. We are called by God himself to do so! It is the Great Commission. (Listed several times in the Bible: https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_great_commission )

Because God loves the world SO much, he sent his son... who told us to go out and make disciples. Because we love, trust, and believe in God, we obey his commandments. We are to love the whole world- we are to bring the light of truth to all the people of the whole world, BECAUSE we love them. Just like we were saved, we have to save others!

As hard as it may be to hear this, here is what the bible says about homosexuality etc.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/homosexuality

And before one of you says that people who are LGBTQ are biblically not allowed to become Christians, that's not true at all. Obviously you cannot be a follower of Christ and willingly commit sin, thinking that He's okay with it, but if you repent and come to your loving heavenly Father, he will welcome you with open arms. Case in point: one of the first converts of the early church was an Ethiopian eunuch.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-stories/ethiopian-eunuch-bible-story.html
Eunuch:
https://www.google.com/search?q=eunuch&safe=strict&rlz=1C1AWFC_enUS848US848&ei=uo3DYKXDPIWrtQaP3JfADg&oq=eunuch&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBAgAEEMyAggAMgUIABCxAzICCAAyBQgAELEDMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADIFCAAQsQM6BwgAEEcQsAM6AgguUMkEWJ4XYKEZaAFwA3gAgAFXiAGdBZIBATiYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiliIrL_o_xAhWFVc0KHQ_uBegQ4dUDCA4&uact=5

One more thing. We DO NOT hate LGBTQ people, or think they're despicable, or anything. Many of us probably know personally someone like that. My neighbors down the road are two gay men. My aunt is married to another woman. Another aunt is an athiest, and openly supports things like that. I still love 'em! They are some of my favorite people, and I am incredibly sad that they don't believe in the lifesaving God, which is why me and my family do our best to show them Christ's love and witness to them. That is why we speak out like this. BECAUSE we love them, not the opposite.

See Genesis 18:16-19:30 for full story of Sodom and Gamorrah. This story is also mentioned in other parts of the Bible.
KingofAce
2 days ago
I can't stead the fact that when someone makes a pride model people are like "I love this so much!" "so true!" BUT on models like this people are like "this is stupid take this down now! "why would you say that?" guys do you not get that you're approving a sin?! it's like throwing a thief a party but calling police hollow heads. it's kinda like a sin patting sin on the back,
KingofAce
2 days ago
I did not load that comment @tallgirl, well said!
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
I know y'all said that we shouldn't argue, but I believe differently. Arguing is good! That way you learn new things, including but not limited to, how to defend your argument, things wrong with your argument, things wrong with other's arguments, etc. As long as you're not fighting, it's all good. Arguing is simply an exchange of differing ideas along with evidence to support opposing viewpoints. A fight is a different matter.
If y'all have more questions about the Bible and things "wrong" with it, I highly recommend you read How (Not) to Read the Bible: Making Sense of the Anti-women, Anti-science, Pro-violence, Pro-slavery and Other Crazy-Sounding Parts of Scripture" by Dan Kimball. https://www.amazon.com/How-Not-Read-Bible-Crazy-Sounding-ebook/dp/B085XNGKP3
It's for both Christians, Doubters- and everyone else!

Sorry about my huge comments... If any of you guys feel that it isn't quite appropriate to argue right here on this model, Private Messages are an option, as is the Christian Mecabricks forum.
https://mecabricks.com/en/forum/topic/3296
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Thanks, King!!
Milo: that English essay comment... SO TRUE.
KingofAce
2 days ago
arguing is like school, you hate doing it but in the future, it turns out to be helpful full, you learn what to do and what not to do,
PS: I can't typed long comments,
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
I'm not even that good of a typer... that's why I started this about an hour and a half ago.

Another good book to read- or two: https://www.amazon.com/Fallacy-Detective-Thirty-Eight-Recognize-Reasoning/dp/0974531537
https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Toolbox-Thirty-five-Lessons-Reasoning/dp/0974531510/ref=pd_lpo_14_t_1/130-8586353-4880846?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0974531510&pd_rd_r=5d0a782a-5bd1-40fc-8c79-03169f76fa51&pd_rd_w=UCP7j&pd_rd_wg=k75af&pf_rd_p=fb1e266d-b690-4b4f-b71c-bd35e5395976&pf_rd_r=TXSZ17VQ5T6FWCR8M4RZ&psc=1&refRID=TXSZ17VQ5T6FWCR8M4RZ

Super smart, and fun(y)! It has actually helped me a lot. Whenever dad is listening to some podcast, or mom watches some political video, I'm like "That's a fallacy!" or "Oh hey, I learned that in thinking toolbox!" The Strawman fallacy comes up often.
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
There are two links there, by the way.
KingofAce
2 days ago
I think we have the first one, I'm off! got a build IRL I'm working on,
Greenflame24
2 days ago
@TallGirl...Purple Hoser, Wow!
... I'll try and read all that... but can't at the moment
. I think both you and I have the same passion for expressing our thoughts, in full
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Oh, yeah. I just have so much to say!

Me being a bad typist forces me to cut it down a little. I type so slowly that I have time to think and reread, and avoid reiterating and such. Usually, I discover shorter and clearer ways to phrase things.
Greenflame24
2 days ago
@TallGirl...Purple Hoser, yeah, that's basically the same for me
AmyOak
2 days ago
King of ace...please re read this comment thread me and jalc are the only people here who dissagree with this message and neither of us have said to take this down...in fact ive saud the opposite that despite disagreeing, greenie has the right to post this jusy as much as i have to right to post my pride flag build
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Hi, Amy! King was probably referring to jalc. I quote here:

"B. WHY in the WORLD would you post this on MECABRICKS, of all places? A place FULL of young teens who are trying to figure out who they are as a person. There are people on Mecabricks who are openly gay. Are you saying you hate them? That God hates them? He loves ALL of his children, no matter what. He may dislike things ABOUT them, like their orientation, but he hates NOBODY."

"I am not saying anything against you all, but this model should NOT have been posted here. Know your audience. What if someone younger still trying to figure out who they are clicks this model, not understanding what it's about, then reads that "God hates them" and "Gayness is evil" (not direct quotes). Sorry."

jalc did imply that he thinks it should not be posted, or perhaps "taken down". That might be what King was thinking of.
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Greeny: So, is my new nickname the Dude Perfect Overtime song?
AmyOak
2 days ago
Yeah that makes sense but my point still stands, its a little unfair of King to say that people are criticising this unfairly when that isnt the case, I have actively not argued anything yet because I Personally dont see this at the right place but even if I did it would still only be me and jayc and Jayc want rude about it either with their disagreement
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Amy: Also, he may have encountered this on other models, not just this one, and he is simply stating what he has been seeing, but on this particular model. King might be lumping together all examples, because it is true that things like that that happen often, where on one model portraying one side of the viewpoint everyone agrees, but on other models showing the other (also perfectly entitled) side of the viewpoint, everyone acts super offended.
Were you able to understand that? I couldn't get it out quite right.
I'm glad that you believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion or the opinion of the people/ belief they believe in.
jalc_45
2 days ago
I just disapprove of the choice to post this in the first place. I don't care if it's taken down. Also, at least 1 more person agreed with me I think. Sorry If my past actions/things I said. have offended anyone
AmyOak
2 days ago
Yeah I understood, you were clear so don't worry and yeah, I do genuinely believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion But when someones opinion starts to affect another person in a more serious way such as a law change then it is no longer an opinion at that point and is actively affecting someone. I am an LGBT individual myself and as such i understand that a lot of people here do not like me for that and while it may make me feel uncomfortable that is absoultely their right to dislike me but if that dislike puts me in some physical danger such as a law that will make me seen as lees than someone else under the law then that is something i can no longer let stand
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Okay, so first, jalc, I don't want to offend you in any way. I meant that King may have seen it that way.
Amy, I agree with some of what you are saying. I don't think, however, that we should only be able to state our opinions as long as they aren't affecting others. Of course, if unjust laws were passed, or something like that, that is totally wrong. But I will affect people with my opinion, ON PURPOSE, so that they can be saved. That is a specific example, because God calls me to do that.
Opinions are stated to affect people. Most of the time, someone uses their opinion to sway people to their "side", via arguing.
So, just my thoughts. Hope I understood you right.
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
My big cat is inside right now and wants out, so he is making it VERY difficult to type by meowing really loud (because he has an earth-shattering meow), and jumping on my lap, and jumping on the DESK, and trying to get me to let him out through the window next to the computer, purring - strike that, RUMBLING the whole time.
AmyOak
2 days ago
Sexuality is not a choice and if a law was put in place that restricted non straight sexuality suicide rates among people in the LGBT community would be an issue...I know this because it has already happened and is continuing to happen in countries that have laws against homosexuality

https://www.newportacademy.com/resources/mental-health/lgbt-suicide-statistics/ :LGBT suicide rates based off of youth who are kicked from their homes

https://www.ilga-europe.org/sites/default/files/Attachments/ilga-europe_lgbt_youth_suicide_final.pdf : LGBT suicide rates are higher in countries where Homosexuality is illegal

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236567/number-of-suicides-in-selected-countries-by-gender/ :quantative date from the study above

If you belive that laws against homosexuality are in place to save us that just isnt true.

i know that isnt what you meant though, you meant that those laws are to protect us from hell and that is a whole different issue
SirChristianVII
2 days ago
Jalc, don’t worry, you haven’t “offended” anyone!
Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. ~ Psalm 119:165

Also, TallGirl, have you ever listened to Ken Ham? His podcasts are amazing for defending and proving Christianity! I listen every day on BBN, but you can find him on the web or on Apple Podcasts.
SirChristianVII
2 days ago
Amy, if we lived in a world where LGTB stuff was abhorred and outlawed, and trained our children accordingly, those people who commit suicide wouldn’t be Sodomites to begin with, and thus, wouldn’t commit suicide!
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Amy, I didn't mean that we should have laws against homosexuality; I think you are right, that probably would result in suicide. I meant I am trying to bring people to Christianity. And, if more people were Christian, even if they did feel passion for the same sex or something, they would have God to turn to. This book, "10 Questions Every Teen Should Ask (and Answer) about Christianity"
by Rebecca McLaughlin actually deals with a lot of good stuff, but what I am referring to it for is that the author actually has always been more interested in girls. If she ever feels physically attracted to someone outside her marriage, it is always a woman. However, she is a strong Christian, is happily married to a man she is in love with, and has children.
https://www.christianbook.com/questions-every-teen-should-about-christianity/rebecca-mclaughlin/9781433571664/pd/571667?kw=21440761692&mt=b&dv=c&event=PPCSRC&p=1186432&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-brTpK6Q8QIV2W1vBB2wWwNmEAAYAiAAEgLmB_D_BwE
God is the answer to EVERYTHING. If His children come to Him, He will help them through the trials that will come, until they rest with Him in eternity.
AmyOak
2 days ago
Thats also just no true, homosexuality has existed for centuries even in places and times where it has been abhorred, there are charities specifically to help get LGBT people out of countries where everyone abhorrers homosexuality and up until 2005 in america Homosexual marriage has been illegal so since homosexuality has only recently been accepted how can you possibly explain why homosexuality still existes
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Sir Christian, people actually do feel like that, without people even telling them to. Rebecca McLaughlin was raised in a Christian home, I believe, and hoped that her feelings would just go away, but they didn't, to this day. This stuff is something the devil inflicted on us, but so sneakily that it feels right, or a part of us, or something. You're right, it doesn't help that we live in a world that encourages it, and says it IS who we are, and to "follow our heart" etc. And yes, if the world was all Christian, children would be raised knowing what to do if that happens to them, and knowing that they can run to God.
AmyOak
2 days ago
Yeah tall girl is right, Homosexuality has always existed and will always exist
KingofAce
2 days ago
all I do is mow and I get this!

and think about it, is being gay was never a thing people would not know about it and would not commit suicide,
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
But technically, the world WAS all Christian to begin with, and Adam and Eve did train their children in God, but all it took was for Cain to commit one sin. Sin is always there, ever since the fall, tempting us away from our only hope of salvation.
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
We have to actively fight to bring people back to God, and continually fight to keep following God, even after we've dedicated our lives to him.
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Currently, the cat is gnawing at my pant leg.

Now his head is under my arm, making it nigh impossible to type. I literally keep having to backspace.

Now he is eating the carpet.

Now he is at the window again, meowling. (meowing, but howling. That's how loud he is.)

Okay, now he left.
AmyOak
2 days ago
people haven't been taught to be gay, I wasn't. I was raised in a Christian household and believed in god for the first 15 years of my life and yet i still ended up where I am not, and if you think its because of Tv or something like that then no to that too because LGBT people in TV has only really been a thing recently
KingofAce
2 days ago
which would you rather have, a few happy years of life or a great eternal afterlife with the god who made you?
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
I don't think it will ALWAYS exist. People can fight it, and of course, we will be delivered from sin on the judgment day, and rest in heaven with God, who will wipe away all tears etc.
AmyOak
2 days ago
If it isn't possible to have my partner with me in the "perfect" afterlife then is cant be perfect
KingofAce
2 days ago
whoever said you won't change your mind? and God will make a way,
AmyOak
2 days ago
Ive been pretty polite up until now but this whole thing is getting a little upsetting now so my next message is more rude and I'm sorry for that but this will probably be my last comment on this post

She means to world to me and an afterlife without her would not be heaven and a god that thinks i should have to give that up is not a god that I Believe deserves my worship
KingofAce
2 days ago
ok, if you don't want God then I can't change your mind,
TallGirl2006
2 days ago
Actually, yes it will. All we need is God. There will be no marriage, nothing, because God is perfect. I know that sounds kind of boring, and sometimes it makes me sad to think that I won't "have my family", but God is my family! We can't even come close to imagining in our craziest dreams how AWESOME that will be. I am God's daughter, and He is my Father! I don't need earthly things. It's gonna be better than anything I ever wanted. When I was little, heaven meant to me being able to have all the things I wanted for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and always have room in my stomach for more so I would never run out of room for my favorite foods, and it meant having all the toys I ever desired, and it meant being able to magically snap my fingers and have my hair in the most complicated braid ever. But when I am worshipping God... I'm not even gonna want a single cinnamon roll or of cup of cocoa. I don't need a husband! I'll have the LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH! I mean, WHAT NOW?!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will be absolutely incredible. Who needs earthly things, that rust, or break, or eventually die? They're so trivial! Look at the life of humans compared to how long the earth has been around. We're lucky if we make it to a hundred! And the earth is zilch compared to eternity. Now think about eternity with the one who made it all, who has existed infinitely, and who will exist infinitely with us!
AmyOak
2 days ago
Youre right, you cant change my mind. and that's okay, back before the conversation got a little bit more heated that's all I was saying.

I said before that I dont mind if you think im going to hell but I would rather you not try and change the law because of it, even this conversation just now honestly wasnt all that bad because i can see that you two genuinely belive youre helping me so I cant really be mad at you for any of what you've said but me and many like me just want to be treated the same as anyone else
Cakery
2 days ago
Aight, I have to do some more work here but I while I disagree, I am in no mood to barrage you with my possibly flawed reasoning (and I am particularly a mediocre student), so I'll just say some things and be done:

I get why people oppose LGBTQ+. Naturally, it doesn't make sense. However, I do believe that some animals can act in ways we interpret as "non-gender-normative". Biblically, animals and humans are separated due to them not having a soul and spirit, but it is mentioned somewhere that they are distantly related. Therefore, I don't hate it.

The way someone orients themselves is based on feeling, and feelings can be faulted. Yes, if you feel like you are more of a girl than a boy, then the choices are based on the feelings of one another. It does not grant you access to the bathroom of opposite gender...hold up. Why are bathrooms separated again? (rhetorical question). In this sense, I don't like LGBTQ.

From the tone of this, maybe you're going out too much on a limb here when you say that respecting someone as a person and respecting someone's belief because it sounds like you're willing to cast down on both. Anyways, a person's belief defines a part of them, so, uh... if you disagree with someone's belief, then it's disagreeing with a part of them, but disagreeing is how this nation (and others) were built, along with companies, and...going a bit off-track there, sorry. Anyways, it's kind of like racism (maybe?) but instead of race it's with beliefs, and in this case there is really no answer, unlike race which a person cannot change.

Overall, I have not taken much interest (and find it rather stupid in my context) in supporting one side or another and have (tried to) remain neutral in a hot situation like this. Does someone support LGBTQ or is LGBTQ? Go ahead and support. Does someone think it's morally unjust and despicably evil? I won't stop you. This is also why, in the Wiki I moderate, talk about religion and politics is forbidden - sure, they encourage debate, but most of the time it's either too much or straight up unhealthy. I also don't want to lose friends just because they think one way differently from me.
AmyOak
2 days ago
"a person's belief defines a part of them, so, uh... if you disagree with someone's belief, then it's disagreeing with a part of them"

who are you talking to here Cakery because I feel like youre agreeing with me since im also saying that My sexuality is a part of me so disagreeing with that part is unfair but you could just as easily be agreeing with Sir Christian that I'm being unfair in criticising her belief
Cakery
2 days ago
Not supporting anyone, as I said.

"Really, the point of Mecabricks should be more focused on building. Social networks come after that."

This is why I don't comment nearly as much as I did before.
AmyOak
2 days ago
Fair enough, I was trying to stay away from arguing at the start but I gave in today it would seem
Greenflame24
2 days ago
Alright folks, I see this place has officially become a forum
. Anyways, I'd love to respond to everything... but that will take a long time... and I'm going to be very busy (I think) this weekend starting now. Sorry If I don't get to respond to everyone, but Greenie is out
AmyOak
2 days ago
Its okay greenie, Its only gotten like this Because I changed my mind and decided I would argue but I've said everything I wanted to say so hopefully this will die down a bit now, I know I wont be arguing anymore at this point though so dont worry about that
BlueFlame56
2 days ago
Well done Greenie,
This is a great model! and I'm glad you are sharing the truth!
BlueFlame56
2 days ago
John 3:16 says For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son so that whoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life!
KingofAce
2 days ago
ok, guys so I somehow forgot about this but on Sunday at youth, my youth paster said "Jesus didn't go to people (except two) he let them come to him, don't try to force someone into God cause then they think we're crazy, just let them come to God if they want," so guys lets just let @amy do what she wants to cause if God wants her to follow him she'll come, sorry @Amy,
Cakery
2 days ago
Really, I don't really get why people are so pivoted on people's differences (pointing to both LGBTQ supporters and naysayers) so much they completely overlook their similarities.
AmyOak
2 days ago
You dont need to be sorry, No one here has been rude. we just disagree, theres nothing wring with that. thank you for understanding because your right, as an outside observer who used to be religious I wholeheartedly understand why people are acting like this but since I've left the religion it does definitely feel a little crazy
SnapStudio
2 days ago
@Amy
People don't need to be a couple to be together in heaven.


God would rather have you both, just be friends.
And, people aren't actually married in heaven.
Cakery
2 days ago
@KingOfAce


Anyways, how long did it take to build this model?
milo_hilo_26
2 days ago
Good grief! A house divided against itself... would be better than this.
AmyOak
2 days ago
Pretty good Lego movie quote for this yeah
milo_hilo_26
2 days ago
@AmyOak, thanks, i thought it was fitting!

I guess what I'm trying to say is people should be posting models that bring us together, not tear us apart. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the message of the model, I'm saying that united we stand, divided we... don't stand.
jalc_45
2 days ago
Good ol' philosophical milo
Jaze_Dragon
2 days ago
@Snap: Exactly.

@milo: Right. If you’re trying to use that as an argument against this model, it doesn’t really work. I mean, we believe that LGBTQ people are committing a terrible and unnatural sin, so why would we want to be united with them…? We want to change them, show them that what they’re doing is wrong, and then be united with them.
jalc_45
2 days ago
@MiLO: righT. iF You’RE TRying To uSE THat As aN ArgUmEnT AGainST tHis mOdeL, it DoEsN’t ReALlY WOrk. I MEaN, wE BElIeve tHAt lGbtQ PEoPlE ARe commiTtINg A TeRrIbLE AND UnnATuRAL siN, SO wHY WOULD wE waNT to bE uNited WiTh tHem…? we WaNt TO chaNGE tHEm, shOw TheM tHat WhAt tHEY’Re doING Is WrONg, aNd TheN bE UNiteD wItH THem.

Don't diss milo
milo_hilo_26
1 day ago
@Jaze

This model isn't going to change anyone. It's not your job to change anyone. If someone wants to change, they will go to someone they trust, not a 13 year old TFOL. And I don't think this model shows any intention of being united with LGBTQ people. If anything, it shows tearing them apart.

I do not support gay marriage, but I certainly do not support this model either. I see it as a very extremist point of view.

Just...love your neighbor
KnightofElabor
1 day ago
@milo, hey buddy... Greenflame's 18

i don't feel like the point of these kinda models is to change anybody's mind as much as they are just a statement of what the user believes.
also the problem with PRIDE isn't the people. (i mean, at the end of the day, all of us are screwed up and all of us have things we struggle wit, right?) but it's more about the movement as a whole
Operator011
1 day ago
Another important reason models like this exist is to strengthen other people who believe in the same stuff. It would be super depressing and might even kick some people off of mecabricks if all they saw were models celebrating the despicable act that is homosexuality.

This model gives me hope that maybe the human race will be somewhat presentable when Christ comes again.

Gay people are sharing models depicting their pride over their sin, why can't we post models rebuking them? Or, if that's not allowed, celebrating Christianity? And being not gay? Just a thought.
AmyOak
1 day ago
Operator, no one said that this model shouldnt exist Me and Jalc are the only ones disagreeing and Milo agrees with you but thinks that you're going about it the wrong way and none of us are saying this model shouldt exist

I have made Two Pride themed builds sure but ive also made two of a church I used to go to

https://www.mecabricks.com/en/models/eDa58EERvzg
https://www.mecabricks.com/en/models/eDa58EERvzg

I am no longer a Christian but I can still see a beauty in the church that made me want to make these two builds, If I wanted this build gone then I would be a hypocrite
Operator011
1 day ago
Amy: Yes, that's true, you all haven't directly said it. I apologize if it sounded like I was accusing you of it, I was only speaking in general terms.
jalc_45
1 day ago
Well... I'm on Milo's side, as I said (or meant to say) in my first real post here. And Milo doesn't fully agree with them.
AmyOak
1 day ago
thats just even more proof then in that case. If I'm the only one disagreeing here and I have already said that I Disagree with the message but support the freedom to post this then there is no one saying this shoudnt exist here seeing as i am the only opposition and I have never said to remove this model, I havnt reported it and have instead Liked the post for the sake of the build being good even though I dont agree with the message
Operator011
1 day ago
Amy: Not to be demeaning, but more proof for what?
AmyOak
1 day ago
Sorry, maybe proof isnt the right word, I mean that its not fair of you to say "why can't we post models rebuking them? Or, if that's not allowed" because clearly no one is saying that
milo_hilo_26
1 day ago
@Operator011

I was referring to Jaze, not Greenie, so you might have to read Jaze's comment for context idk.

Also it seemed kinda patronizing the way you called me buddy, but whatever.

Also, also I'm done commenting here, this is getting nowhere fast and it's got no destination. Milo out.
Operator011
1 day ago
Amy: Okay, thanks for clarifying what you meant. And I wouldn't say no one was saying we shouldn't post this, both milo and jalc said they don't think stuff like this should be posted. That's what I meant.

Of course, this is not the place to share this. But this is also not the place to share models celebrating homosexuality, so I think it's okay for us to post models saying why we disagree. That's all. :man_shrugging:
SnapStudio
7 hours ago
Hate the sin, not the people.
jalc_45
7 hours ago
That's not the quote.
SnapStudio
7 hours ago
Emm, not the sinner?
We're supposed to hate sin, right?
Operator011
7 hours ago
It doesn't have to be a quote, the point still stands. The sin is the problem, not the people.
jalc_45
4 hours ago
Ehhh...
Turducken, tomato
Cakery
4 hours ago
There are people in the world born with both male and female repro-organs; how would they identify themselves if someone asked if they are a boy or girl? (I don't think that most LGBTQ are like that, but just a thought to throw out)
KnightofElabor
2 hours ago
@Cake, def an interesting thought, but i think you're right those cases are very very very rare
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